# Making MTM Central to Clinical Strategy | Outcomes: Insights Beyond the Counter

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Podcast: [Pharmacy Podcast Network](https://stenobird.com/podcast/pharmacy-podcast-network-945715)
Published: 2026-07-28T12:01:28+00:00
Episode link: https://pharmacypodcastnetwork.podbean.com/e/making-mtm-central-to-clinical-strategy-outcomes-insights-beyond-the-counter/
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## Resource

In this episode, host Jon Grice takes a candid and timely look at the evolving role of Medication Therapy Management (MTM) in community pharmacy. Jon raises an important question: Are pharmacists missing a critical opportunity hiding in plain sight?He explores why MTM remains essential—not just for patient care, but for the financial sustainability of today’s pharmacies. He discusses the shifting landscape where dispensing margins have eroded, clinical services have become the new value driver, and yet emotional and historical frustrations with payers may be holding some pharmacists back from embracing what’s next.Drawing on conversations with industry leaders and his own lived experience as an independent pharmacist, Jon challenges listeners to re‑examine assumptions, recognize cognitive biases, and reconnect with the shared goals of insurers, pharmacies, and patients.Whether you're a chain pharmacist, an independent owner, or someone trying to understand the future of clinical care, this episode offers a grounded, honest look at where MTM stands—and where it needs to go next.

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