# Lisa Graves on the Supreme Court

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Published: 2026-06-30T10:30:00+00:00
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For all my interviews and more, subscribe on YouTube . Lisa Graves is the author of Without Precedent , a history and analysis of the Roberts Court and the expert on how the Federalist Society has been working to undermine democracy. Yesterday this happened: So I managed to arrange a conversation with Lisa about what is happening: . . . TRANSCRIPT: Paul Krugman in Conversation with Lisa Graves (recorded 6/29/26) Paul Krugman : Hi everyone. This is a bit of an emergency recording and podcast because today, which is Monday as we’re recording this, the Supreme Court has just handed down several decisions, of which one was really alarming. And I had talked earlier with Lisa Graves , head of True North Research , and Court Accountability who had been warning about all this stuff when I talked with her previously and on other occasions. And I wanted to get somebody who’s actually following this to weigh in. So, hi Lisa. Lisa Graves : Paul, thank you so much for inviting me back on. I really appreciate it. Krugman : Yeah. So, there were obviously several decisions that came down, but Humphrey’s Executor … This is absolutely mind-boggling. So why don’t you talk about Humphrey’s Executor and then we’ll talk about the background and what this says about the Roberts Court? Graves : Yes. Today’s Slaughter case involving the FTC, is a case where the Roberts Court has overruled nearly a century of legal precedent which prohibited presidents from firing commissioners, specifically on the Federal Trade Commission, the case that you mentioned, Paul. Humphrey’s Executor was specifically about the FTC. It was about this provision that barred FDR, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, from firing someone whom Hoover appointed to that commission. When Congress created the FTC, it set a standard that…

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