# On Raising Up Leaders Part 4 (Ep. 335)

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Podcast: [Pastors Talk - A podcast by 9Marks](https://stenobird.com/podcast/pastors-talk-a-podcast-by-9marks-845854)
Published: 2026-06-02T09:00:23+00:00
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Duration seconds: 3093

## Resource

In the season finale of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman is joined by Ligon Duncan and Michael Lawrence to discuss the state of the pastoral pipeline — examining why fewer men are entering ministry, the role of demographics and seminary debt, and what healthy churches and seminaries can do about it.

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