# Churn: The Hidden Force Shaping How We See Each Other | Claude Steele - EP 751

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Published: 2026-04-07T04:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

What if one of the biggest barriers to connection, performance, and trust isn’t prejudice—but something more subtle, more pervasive, and harder to detect?In this powerful episode of the Passion Struck podcast, I sit down with renowned social psychologist Claude Steele to explore his groundbreaking new book, Churn.Claude introduces the concept of churn—the internal psychological state we experience in high-stakes situations when we worry about how we might be judged based on our identity. Whether in classrooms, workplaces, medical settings, or everyday interactions, churn silently shapes how we show up, how we perform, and how we relate to others.We explore how churn differs from bias, why it can be just as corrosive, and how even well-intentioned people can become trapped in cycles of hesitation, misinterpretation, and disconnection. Most importantly, Claude reveals a hopeful path forward—how trust, “wiseness,” and simple human behaviors like listening and belief can dramatically reduce churn and unlock human potential.This conversation will change how you see your interactions—and give you practical tools to build deeper trust in a divided world.Passion Struck is the #1 alternative health and personal growth podcast dedicated to human flourishing and the science of mattering. It is consistently ranked among the top health, mindset, and business podcasts worldwide.Check the full show notes here: https://passionstruck.com/claude-steele-churn-hidden-psychology-of-trust/ Explore guided reflections and companion insights for this episode at: https://www.theignitedlife.net/p/what-is-churn-claude-steele-trust-identity Thank You to Our SponsorsLimited Time Offer – Get Huel today with my exclusive offer of 15% OFF online with my code PASSION at huel.com/passion. New Customers…

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