# Episode 28: On Becoming Less Ambitious (and Remembering to Touch Grass)

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Podcast: [Paper Trail](https://stenobird.com/podcast/paper-trail-6608707)
Published: 2026-04-06T11:00:00+00:00
Episode link: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/the-paper-trail-podcast/episodes/Episode-28-On-Becoming-Less-Ambitious-and-Remembering-to-Touch-Grass-e3hfr5m
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