# Systems Software in the Large

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Podcast: [Oxide and Friends](https://stenobird.com/podcast/oxide-and-friends-5250129)
Published: 2025-09-25T14:00:00+00:00
Episode link: https://share.transistor.fm/s/20b6e3dc
Audio file: https://media.transistor.fm/20b6e3dc/39bccb32.mp3
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Duration seconds: 6297

## Resource

Dave Pacheco is leading Oxide's multi-year effort around full-system update. He recently gave a talk about his experience leading that project, the complexities of designing the system and organizing the team. Dave, Bryan, and Adam discuss the project, the many sources of leadership, and the often underestimated peril of "organizational procrastination". In addition to Bryan Cantrill and Adam Leventhal , we were joined by Oxide colleague, Dave Pacheco . Previously on OxF: OxF s05e21 - Rebooting a Datacenter: A Decade Later OxF s01e09 - Agile + 20 OxF s04e11 - A Baseball Startup with Paul Freedman and Bryan Carmel Some of the topics we hit on, in the order that we hit them: Dave's talk: Path to self-service update (slides) Fire trucks dousing the champion Ballers Bryan's talk: Debugging Under Fire Roger Faulkner: "I'm not here to make it perfect; I'm here to make it better" Mid-recording earthquake If we got something wrong or missed something, please file a PR! Our next show will likely be on Monday at 5p Pacific Time on our Discord server; stay tuned to our Mastodon feeds for details, or subscribe to this calendar . We'd love to have you join us, as we always love to hear from new speakers!

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