# Founder vs. Investor with Liz Zalman and Jerry Neumann

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Podcast: [Oxide and Friends](https://stenobird.com/podcast/oxide-and-friends-5250129)
Published: 2025-11-22T15:00:00+00:00
Episode link: https://share.transistor.fm/s/c34a78de
Audio file: https://media.transistor.fm/c34a78de/b1538597.mp3
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## Resource

Oxide founders, Bryan and Steve, as well as Oxide investor, Seth Winterroth, were joined by Liz Zalman and Jerry Neumann, authors of the book Founder vs. Investor, discussing the collaboration and conflict in company formation. Adam was also present. In addition to Bryan Cantrill and Adam Leventhal , our guests included Liz Zalman, Jerry Neumann , Seth Winterroth (Oxide investor), and Steve Tuck (Oxide founder / CEO). Some of the topics we hit on, in the order that we hit them: Founder vs. Investor Topic [@M:SS](link into recording) Leventhal's Conundrum PRs needed! If we got something wrong or missed something, please file a PR! Our next show will likely be on Monday at 5p Pacific Time on our Discord server; stay tuned to our Mastodon feeds for details, or subscribe to this calendar . We'd love to have you join us, as we always love to hear from new speakers!

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