# Episode 194: Bending Not Breaking

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Podcast: [Osterholm Update](https://stenobird.com/podcast/osterholm-update-744108)
Published: 2025-10-16T12:00:00+00:00
Episode link: https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/anti-science/episode-194-bending-not-breaking
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## Resource

&lt;p&gt;In "Bending Not Breaking," Dr. Osterholm and Chris Dall discuss recent layoffs and layoff reversals at the CDC, comments from the administration on the MMR vaccine, and the latest respiratory virus data. Dr. Osterholm also shares an update on pertussis cases and answers an ID Query about herd immunity.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;Resources for vaccine and public health advocacy:&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.voicesforvaccines.org/get-involved/"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Voices for Vaccines&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://familiesfightingflu.org/take-action/"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Families Fighting Flu&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://vaccinateyourfamily.org/get-involved/"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Vaccinate Your Family&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://shotatlife.org/take-action/"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Shot@Life&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://aspr.hhs.gov/MRC/Pages/index.aspx"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Medical Reserve Corps&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;Learn more about the &lt;a href="https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/vaccine-integrity-project"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Vaccine Integrity Project&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/osterholm-update-covid-19"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;MORE EPISODES&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/support-cidrap"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;SUPPORT THIS PODCAST&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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