# 3041: Five Things to Learn About Codependence and Interdependence by Dr. Margaret Rutherford on Healthy Relationships

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Podcast: [Optimal Relationships Daily - Dating, Marriage and Parenting](https://stenobird.com/podcast/optimal-relationships-daily-dating-marriage-and-parenting-1054569)
Published: 2026-06-14T07:05:00+00:00
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Discover all of the podcasts in our network, search for specific episodes, get the Optimal Living Daily workbook, and learn more at: OLDPodcast.com. Episode 3041: Dr. Margaret Rutherford explores how the meaning of codependence has evolved from enabling addiction to losing yourself in a relationship, while also explaining why healthy interdependence is something to value rather than fear. She offers a balanced perspective on trust, boundaries, and mutual support, showing how strong relationships help both people grow instead of holding each other back. Read along with the original article(s) here: https://drmargaretrutherford.com/what-is-healthy-dependence-in-a-relationship/ Quotes to ponder: “Interdependence builds trust.” “Don’t be afraid of depending on someone, if it’s the right someone.” “Interdependence doesn’t mean you lose yourself, or become less of a strong individual. It means life isn’t quite so hard, because you’ve got a partner.” Episode references: Codependent No More: https://www.amazon.com/Codependent-No-More-Controlling-Yourself/dp/1954118155 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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