# 57: This miracle pill could make dogs live longer, with Celine Halioua, Founder & CEO of Loyal

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Podcast: [Onward, a Fundrise Production](https://stenobird.com/podcast/onward-a-fundrise-production-4558889)
Published: 2026-05-21T14:34:22+00:00
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What if the biggest barrier to a longer life isn't science, but the economic incentives of corporations? In this episode of Onward, Ben sits down with Celine Halioua, founder and CEO of Loyal — the biotech company on track to earn the first-ever FDA approval for a drug whose only purpose is to extend lifespan. The catch: they're starting with dogs. Celine walks Ben through why the U.S. healthcare system is structurally incapable of building preventative medicine, why each dog-owner relationship is a "micro single-payer health care system," and how a quiet 2019 change to FDA regulation was the one-to-one cause of Loyal existing at all. ("If this pathway didn't exist, Loyal wouldn't exist. October 2019, I incorporated.") From there, the conversation widens. Celine lays out the Tesla-style master plan — save the dogs, save the world — that uses dog-drug revenue to fund human longevity work, escaping the discipline of biotech VC entirely. Ben presses her on AI in drug development (she's skeptical it will change clinical trials anytime soon), public-market short-termism, and the kind of scenario planning that prepares a company for what nobody saw coming. — For a deeper dive into these insights and more, be sure to listen to the full episode of the Onward podcast. Have questions or feedback about this episode? Drop us a note at Onward@Fundrise.com. Onward is hosted by Ben Miller, co-founder and CEO of Fundrise. Podcast production by The Podcast Consultant. Music by Seaplane Armada. About Fundrise With over 2 million users, Fundrise is America's largest direct-to-investor alternative asset investment platform. Since 2012, our mission has been to build a better financial system by empowering the individual. We make it easier and more efficient than ever for anyone to invest i…

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