# How to Get Out of the Boat

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Podcast: [On the Road to No Place Left](https://stenobird.com/podcast/on-the-road-to-no-place-left-761973)
Published: 2026-02-04T17:23:43+00:00
Episode link: https://pheaney.substack.com/p/how-to-get-out-of-the-boat
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## Resource

Another conversation with Chuck Wood II where we discuss my latest post on pioneering: https://pheaney.substack.com/p/we-need-you-to-go-first Season 9: On Pioneering/How to Stick, Episode 4. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit pheaney.substack.com

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