# Interview with a Nazi Hunter: The Cost of Fighting Fascism Under Trump | Michael Edison Hayden

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Podcast: [On Offense with Kris Goldsmith](https://stenobird.com/podcast/on-offense-with-kris-goldsmith-7584514)
Published: 2026-04-22T09:00:00+00:00
Episode link: https://onoffense.substack.com/p/nazi-hunter-fighting-fascism
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## Resource

BREAKING: The Department of Justice has charged the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) over its use of paid informants inside extremist groups. This episode was recorded before that news broke—but it explores the exact kind of work now at the center of that controversy: infiltrating extremist networks, documenting their activity, and the real cost of doing it. Our guest in this episode was one of SPLC's top investigative reporters. --- The fight against extremism isn’t just about ideas—it’s about resources. In this episode of On Offense, Kris Goldsmith sits down with investigative journalist Michael Edison Hayden to discuss his new book, Strange People on the Hill, and the real-world consequences of extremist movements embedding themselves in local communities. When a white nationalist organization purchased a castle overlooking Berkeley Springs, West Virginia, it wasn’t just a bizarre headline—it was part of a broader strategy. Hayden’s reporting reveals how extremist ideologies move from the fringe into positions of power, and what happens when ordinary people are forced to confront them in their own backyard. This conversation goes beyond the headlines to examine the human cost of this work—the burnout, the mental health toll, and the reality faced by the small number of researchers, journalists, and community members who take on these movements directly. This is a story about one town—and a warning for the rest of the country. Get the book:Strange People on the Hill by Michael Edison Hayden Follow Michael Edison Hayden: Bluesky: michaelehayden.bsky.social Substack: michaeledisonhayden.substack.com Podcast: Posting Through It Subscribe to On Offense: Substack: onoffense.substack.com Take action locally:Veterans Fighting Fascism On Offense is produced by Gina Kim and…

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