# #188 Surviving First Ladies and Elis Eats Gravel (Part 1)

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Published: 2026-07-05T23:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

This week we’re looking at what happened to the First Ladies of assassinated US Presidents. The tale of Mary Todd Lincoln, Jackie Kennedy and the loser-known story of Lucretia Garfield. Elsewhere, Elis thinks it’s okay to eat the presentational gravel at a birthday party. Feel free to email about this or anything else: hello@ohwhatatime.com Part 1 is released on Monday and Part 2 on Tuesday - but if you want more Oh What A Time and both parts at once, you should sign up for our Patreon! On there you’ll now find: •The full archive of bonus episodes •Brand new bonus episodes each month •OWAT subscriber group chats •Loads of extra perks for supporters of the show •PLUS ad-free episodes earlier than everyone else Join us at 👉 patreon.com/ohwhatatime And as a special thank you for joining, use the code CUSTARD for 25% off your first month. You can also follow us on:  X (formerly Twitter) at @ohwhatatimepod And Instagram at @ohwhatatimepod Aaannnd if you like it, why not drop us a review in your podcast app of choice? Thank you to Dan Evans for the artwork (idrawforfood.co.uk). Chris, Elis and Tom x Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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