# 236 - Juicy Red Fruits (with Casey Dreier)

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Podcast: [Off-Nominal](https://stenobird.com/podcast/off-nominal-568321)
Published: 2026-04-10T00:20:28+00:00
Episode link: https://offnom.com/episodes/236
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## Resource

Casey Dreier, Chief of Space Policy at The Planetary Society, joins Jake and Anthony to talk about the dichotomy of NASA right now: the Artemis II lunar flyby, and the FY2027 budget request.

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