# 224 - Gotta Wear the Pants (with Eric Berger and Casey Handmer)

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Podcast: [Off-Nominal](https://stenobird.com/podcast/off-nominal-568321)
Published: 2026-01-16T02:52:34+00:00
Episode link: https://offnom.com/episodes/224
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Duration seconds: 3851

## Resource

Anthony is joined by Eric Berger, Senior Space Editor at Ars Technica, and Casey Handmer, Founder of Terraform Industries, to talk about Eric’s visit to NASA HQ for a meeting on the Orion heat shield, the upcoming Artemis 2 mission, and Administrator Isaacman’s first few weeks.

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