# 221 - Ornithopter of Spacecraft (with Jeffrey Kluger)

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Podcast: [Off-Nominal](https://stenobird.com/podcast/off-nominal-568321)
Published: 2025-12-11T19:53:18+00:00
Episode link: https://offnom.com/episodes/221
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## Resource

Jake and Anthony are joined by Jeffrey Kluger to talk about his new book, Gemini: Stepping Stone to the Moon, the Untold Story.

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