# 220 - I Will Always Follow the Law, Senator (with Loren Grush)

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Podcast: [Off-Nominal](https://stenobird.com/podcast/off-nominal-568321)
Published: 2025-12-05T02:01:58+00:00
Episode link: https://offnom.com/episodes/220
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Jake and Anthony are joined by Loren Grush of Bloomberg to talk about Jared Isaacman’s second nomination hearing and everything else going on around the industry, like maybe Sam Altman’s foray into rockets. Also, a little side quest into AI.

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