# A New Law of Nature? | Robert Hazen & Michael Wong

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Published: 2026-04-01T10:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

Could the universe be governed by a law we haven’t discovered yet? Mineralogist Robert Hazen and astrobiologist Michael Wong propose a new rule—the law of increasing functional information—to explain why complex systems evolve and why complexity keeps emerging over time. For more, check out the extended interview with Robert Hazen and Michael Wong. Learn more about NOVA and subscribe to our YouTube channel.

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