# 184: Gestalt, Scripting, Echolalia and the Speech vs Language problem!

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Podcast: [Non Linear Learning - Rethinking Education for Neurodivergent Learners](https://stenobird.com/podcast/non-linear-learning-rethinking-education-for-neurodivergent-learners-717057)
Published: 2025-06-27T06:08:00+00:00
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## Resource

Is your child's speech meaningful? In this unfiltered episode of Non Linear Learning , co-hosts Dr. Vaish Sarathy and Searmi Park talk about the difference between speech and language , and why that may be everything in educating our kids with disabilities. Here's what they talk about: Why scripting and echolalia aren't proof of limited cognition The danger of over-labeling learners as "gestalt processors" How presumed competence starts where speech ends Why academics—not behavior—is the best way to detect intention This is the episode for you if you've ever wondered: Is my child's speech meaningful? How do I know if they understand but can't express it? What should I do when I don't know what's motor, comprehension, or behavior? 👉 If this episode made you think or gave you hope, please leave a review so others can find us. It makes all the difference.

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