# 26: Zapstore w/ Franzap

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Podcast: [No Solutions](https://stenobird.com/podcast/no-solutions-7206062)
Published: 2026-05-31T18:52:34+00:00
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Duration seconds: 4068

## Resource

"The user joins the community, and the community does a lot of the heavy lifting." Franzap & Gigi take a walk in Oslo. Listen on sovereignengineering.io In this dialogue: How Zapstore grew out of the first Sovereign Engineering cohort in Madeira, earlier experiments like ZapThreads , and Franzap's frustration with closed mobile app stores Why Ninite , app stacks, and curated discovery mattered as much as the raw "permissionless app store" idea What it means to run Zapstore as a real marketplace: breaking the chicken-and-egg problem by pre-populating supply, signing apps under the Zapstore key, and gradually moving developers toward self-publishing Web-of-trust computation, trust providers, and why app distribution raises the stakes far beyond regular social posting Franzap's "credible exit" framing: sometimes you dial down decentralization to improve UX, as long as users can still verify, leave, and choose another community ZSP , the Zapstore publisher CLI, and how agents can already build and publish Android apps without the developer even owning an Android phone Device keys, encrypted preferences, onboarding trade-offs, and why social features, comments, and zaps are a different problem from simply installing an app Why app lists are a privacy leak, how update infrastructure can turn into a honeypot, and what it means to distribute software without building a profiling machine The operational pain behind a living app catalog: pre-releases, key rotations, migrations, certificate mismatches, and endless edge cases Google's tightening sideloading and KYC rules, Apple's developer-account maze, and why every new permissioned hurdle makes the permissionless route more compelling Why Zapstore may matter most for people at the edges: controversial apps, developers outsid…

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