# "80" - The Pain Cave: Rafael Hidalgo on Grit, Purpose & Doing Hard Things

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Podcast: [No BS with Brad Smith](https://stenobird.com/podcast/no-bs-with-brad-smith-7712062)
Published: 2026-06-25T09:55:00+00:00
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Duration seconds: 1323

## Resource

Rafael Hidalgo, entrepreneur, ultramarathon runner, and author of The Pain Cave, shares how failing to become a fighter pilot led him to conquer the Ultra-Trail du Mont-Blanc (UTMB). He joins Brad to discuss resilience, purpose, overcoming adversity, and why embracing discomfort is the key to personal growth.

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