# Night Owls Episode 76 (With Michael Fenzel)

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Podcast: [Night Owls](https://stenobird.com/podcast/night-owls-6745517)
Published: 2026-04-11T13:00:00+00:00
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Duration seconds: 2718

## Resource

In this episode of Night Owls, John Ellis and Joe Klein sit down with retired Lieutenant General Michael Fenzel for a discussion about war, from Desert Storm to Afghanistan and Iraq to what we now call Gulf War 3. Fenzel's career in the military was shaped by war’s evolution and its enduring unpredictability. The conversation addresses Iran’s military calculus, the growing dominance of proxy warfare, and why today’s battlefields extend from the Strait of Hormuz to outer space. Along the way, ...

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