# Refactoring: What Changes (And Doesn't) in the Age of AI ft. Ravi Ram (Ep. 170)

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Podcast: [Never Rewrite: Software Engineering & AI Coding](https://stenobird.com/podcast/never-rewrite-software-engineering-ai-coding-6208168)
Published: 2026-08-28T13:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

Today we're joined by Ravi Ram, a kindred refactoring spirit. Ravi joins us today to discuss his approach to refactoring and how he leverages AI effectively to dramatically reduce the time it takes to implement refactors and fixes for his clients. Ravi Ram | ravi@dhali.com https://www.linkedin.com/in/dhali/ ------------------------------------- Dhali 30211 Avenida de las Bandera, STE 200 Rancho Santa Margarita, CA 92688 References: Practical Refactoring Woody Zuill | Llewellyn Falco https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWiwDdx_rdo Sandi Metz' Rules For Developers https://thoughtbot.com/blog/sandi-metz-rules-for-developers (Book) Tidy First: A Personal Exercise in Empirical Software Design Kent Beck

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