# Episode 156: Modernization: Where AI Doesn't Save You Any Steps Page: https://stenobird.com/podcast/never-rewrite-software-engineering-ai-coding-6208168/episode-156-modernization-where-ai-doesn-t-save-you-any-steps Text version: https://stenobird.com/podcast/never-rewrite-software-engineering-ai-coding-6208168/episode-156-modernization-where-ai-doesn-t-save-you-any-steps.md Podcast: [Never Rewrite: Software Engineering & AI Coding](https://stenobird.com/podcast/never-rewrite-software-engineering-ai-coding-6208168) Published: 2026-05-22T17:45:55+00:00 Episode link: https://api.riverside.com/hosting-analytics/media/56928ae5f6a807912713ee3c0ba2c1a78a88c8358abc4913335c07a1cc0ab731/eyJlcGlzb2RlSWQiOiIwMzFmMjU0ZS01YTg0LTQwOGEtOTY5MC1iZTZmM2JkMDFkZmYiLCJwb2RjYXN0SWQiOiI3YTA3YTNiYS0wNzY2LTQzOTUtOTFlNy01MTFkZmM5MmEzZjAiLCJhY2NvdW50SWQiOiI2NTBkZGJjZDU5NTYwNGVjYjNiMTRmZmIiLCJwYXRoIjoibWVkaWEvY2xpcHMvNmExMDk0OWQ5OTAxNWJjYTg0Nzg0MzJiL25ldmVyLXJld3JpdGUtY29tcG9zZXItMjAyNi01LTIyX18xOS0zOC0zNy5tcDMifQ==.mp3 Audio file: https://api.riverside.com/hosting-analytics/media/56928ae5f6a807912713ee3c0ba2c1a78a88c8358abc4913335c07a1cc0ab731/eyJlcGlzb2RlSWQiOiIwMzFmMjU0ZS01YTg0LTQwOGEtOTY5MC1iZTZmM2JkMDFkZmYiLCJwb2RjYXN0SWQiOiI3YTA3YTNiYS0wNzY2LTQzOTUtOTFlNy01MTFkZmM5MmEzZjAiLCJhY2NvdW50SWQiOiI2NTBkZGJjZDU5NTYwNGVjYjNiMTRmZmIiLCJwYXRoIjoibWVkaWEvY2xpcHMvNmExMDk0OWQ5OTAxNWJjYTg0Nzg0MzJiL25ldmVyLXJld3JpdGUtY29tcG9zZXItMjAyNi01LTIyX18xOS0zOC0zNy5tcDMifQ==.mp3 Processing state: not_requested JSON: https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/never-rewrite-software-engineering-ai-coding-6208168/episodes/episode-156-modernization-where-ai-doesn-t-save-you-any-steps Duration seconds: 583 ## Resource Jeffrey Sherman and Isaac Askew discuss the realities of AI in software modernization, emphasizing that AI accelerates but does not eliminate manual testing and manual work in legacy code projects. ## Actions - request_transcript: `POST https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/never-rewrite-software-engineering-ai-coding-6208168/episodes/episode-156-modernization-where-ai-doesn-t-save-you-any-steps/transcription-requests` — Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode. - read_markdown: `GET https://stenobird.com/podcast/never-rewrite-software-engineering-ai-coding-6208168/episode-156-modernization-where-ai-doesn-t-save-you-any-steps.md` — Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource. A page view does not enqueue transcription. Agents should invoke `request_transcript` explicitly when they need this episode processed. ## Transcript Full transcripts are not published on public pages unless there is a clear rights basis.