# What Really Happened In Yugoslavia | Douglas Macgregor & David Gibbs

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Published: 2026-08-31T01:10:45+00:00
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The Yugoslavia Wars were not about humanitarian intervention. Here is the testimony of a man who was closely involved in the NATO operations and a historian who studied that era closely. Professor David Gibbs and Colonel Douglas Macgregor compare their views on the Yugoslav wars, NATO’s role in Bosnia and Kosovo, and the thinking behind the 1999 bombing campaign. Macgregor recalls his work in NATO command, while Gibbs connects the Balkan interventions to NATO expansion, Europe’s military dependence, Russia, and later conflicts.Links: Neutrality Studies substack: https://pascallottaz.substack.com Merch: https://neutralitystudies.com/shop Donation: https://neutralitystudies.com/donate Timestamps: 00:00:00 Introduction and Balkan war context 00:02:53 Russia’s role in Bosnia and Kosovo 00:08:02 Early warnings about Kosovo 00:15:09 Intervention goals and the KLA 00:22:28 Russia, NATO, and the air war 00:33:00 Rambouillet and the Kosovo settlement 00:42:53 Europe’s NATO dependence and war narrative 00:55:24 The Balkans as a Russia rehearsal 01:05:39 Intervention, neutrality, and closing thoughts

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