# New Red Scare Destroys NATO, US Turns Against Europe, Iran Wins | Pietro Shakarian

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Published: 2026-08-27T03:17:45+00:00
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NATO is being demilitarized by its own Proxy-War. Historian and American University of Armenia lecturer Pietro Shakarian joins Pascal to discuss America’s “third Red Scare,” the Iran war and the Strait of Hormuz, the proposed Mecca Pact, Ukraine’s future, Caucasus transit plans, and why he sees Europe’s elites as tied to US power during a shift toward multipolarity.Links:Pietro Shakarian at The Nation: https://www.thenation.com/authors/pie... Anastas Mikoyan: An Armenian Reformer in Khrushchev’s Kremlin: https://iupress.org/9780253073556/ana... Neutrality Studies substack: https://pascallottaz.substack.com Merch: https://neutralitystudies.com/shop Donation: https://neutralitystudies.com/donate Timestamps: 00:00 Introduction and America’s Third Red Scare 04:06 Trump, empire decline, and the Iran war 07:36 War of aggression and US public opinion 15:39 Reform, neoliberalism, and AI data centers 20:31 Iran’s strategy and the Mecca Pact 31:15 US overstretch and Caucasus corridors 39:03 Ukraine, Russia, and Europe’s war strategy 49:15 Why European elites follow US power 57:15 US limits and the shift to multipolarity

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