# Massive ESCALATION: Europe Uses Ukraine to Expand War | Prof. Glenn Diesen

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Published: 2026-05-26T14:27:59+00:00
Episode link: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/neutrality-studies/episodes/Massive-ESCALATION-Europe-Uses-Ukraine-to-Expand-War--Prof--Glenn-Diesen-e3jts69
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NATO's proxy war in Ukraine is morphing into a direct EU-Russia war. And the war hawks in Brussels are further escalating by attacking civilians in the Donbas and Russia proper. The doves in the Kremlin, including Vladimir Putin, are running out of options to keep their own hawks under wraps. As things stand now, an all-out EU-Russia war is not only a possible, but by now a likely scenario. But to what end?I'm joined today by my colleague, Professor Glenn Diesen, to discuss what he has learned from his many interviews with top-notch IR scholars in Russia and the West, and where things are headed.Links:Glenn Diesen on YouTube: / @gdiesen1 Glenn Diesen on Substack: https://glenndiesen.substack.com Neutrality Studies substack: https://pascallottaz.substack.com (Opt in for Academic Section from your profile settings: https://pascallottaz.substack.com/s/a... )Merch: https://neutralitystudies.com/shop Donation: https://neutralitystudies.com/donate Timestamps: 00:00:00 Introduction 00:00:21 NATO escalation and Russian retaliation 00:15:06 Iran and the logic of deterrence 00:20:31 Europe and the self-fulfilling war trap 00:25:28 Sanctions dissent and mass formation 00:31:55 Propaganda censorship and open debate 00:36:52 Ukraine endgame and security order 00:40:40 US decline and proxy war strategy 00:48:44 Realism neutrality and the road ahead

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