# Episode 620: Dhiren Das on Circular Design, Better Cities, Sustainability + the Future of AI

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Podcast: [My Daily Business Podcast](https://stenobird.com/podcast/my-daily-business-podcast-1028976)
Published: 2026-05-13T19:00:00+00:00
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Duration seconds: 3031

## Resource

What does “good design” actually mean beyond aesthetics? In this thoughtful and wide-ranging conversation, Fiona chats with strategic designer and founder of Relative Systems, Dhiren Das, about circularity, sustainable systems, urban design, AI, and why the future of business requires deeper thinking around people, place, and impact.

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