# #72: The Leadership Vacuum, Why the Next Generation Is Saying "No Thanks"

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Podcast: [MPWR Podcast | Become The Leader YOU Want To Follow](https://stenobird.com/podcast/mpwr-podcast-become-the-leader-you-want-to-follow-7308599)
Published: 2026-08-17T08:00:00+00:00
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The Leadership Vacuum, Why the Next Generation Is Saying "No Thanks" By 2030, ten thousand people will hit retirement age every single day; many of them sitting in the senior leadership seats of today's organizations. At the same time, only 30% of the workforce says they even want to become managers. That's not a coincidence. That's a vacuum. And in this episode, Eric Pfeiffer and Dawn Neldon name exactly why it's happening and why blaming "unambitious" young leaders is missing the real story entirely. Eric lays out the core insight early: "People aren't rejecting leadership per se. They're rejecting the version of it that they've been watching the current leaders live out and experience." That single line reframes the whole conversation. This isn't about laziness or entitlement — it's about a generation watching burnout, broken marriages, and 70-hour weeks get handed down as "the cost of success," and deciding the math doesn't work. As Eric puts it plainly: "If the cost of taking a promotion and stepping into a leadership role is greater than the benefits, it doesn't make sense." Dawn pushes the data further, pointing out that 71% of middle managers report feeling burned out and under-equipped — not because they're weak, but because they were promoted without ever being trained. Eric compares it to sending someone to war without boot camp: all rank, no readiness. That gap, he argues, is the real root of the "imposter syndrome" epidemic showing up in leaders as young as 25 and as seasoned as 60. The conversation doesn't stop at diagnosis — it moves into what actually shifts this. Eric shares a hard truth about inherited leadership habits, including the "FITFO" mentality (figure it out) so many leaders default to simply because it's what was modeled for them. His challe…

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