# The Father of the 4% Rule Says Retirees Can Take Out Much More Page: https://stenobird.com/podcast/motley-fool-hidden-gems-investing-1015621/the-father-of-the-4-rule-says-retirees-can-take-out-much-more Text version: https://stenobird.com/podcast/motley-fool-hidden-gems-investing-1015621/the-father-of-the-4-rule-says-retirees-can-take-out-much-more.md Podcast: [Motley Fool Hidden Gems Investing](https://stenobird.com/podcast/motley-fool-hidden-gems-investing-1015621) Published: 2026-07-25T16:00:00+00:00 Episode link: https://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/pdst.fm/e/tracking.swap.fm/track/YfZO4tERxneauNcW9Fgn/mgln.ai/e/211/traffic.megaphone.fm/ARML7637783912.mp3 Audio file: https://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/pdst.fm/e/tracking.swap.fm/track/YfZO4tERxneauNcW9Fgn/mgln.ai/e/211/traffic.megaphone.fm/ARML7637783912.mp3 Processing state: not_requested JSON: https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/motley-fool-hidden-gems-investing-1015621/episodes/the-father-of-the-4-rule-says-retirees-can-take-out-much-more Duration seconds: 1322 ## Resource William Bengen established 4% as the safe withdrawal rate more than 30 years ago. But in subsequent research, he has concluded that 4% is likely much too low. That research is thoroughly explained in his latest book, “A Richer Retirement: Supercharging the 4% Rule to Spend More and Enjoy More.” In this re-airing of an interview from last August, Bengen joined Motley Fool retirement expert Robert Brokamp to discuss:- how factors such as market valuation and inflation affect the safe withdrawal rate- whether retirees should decrease or increase their allocation to stocks as they get older- Bengen’s suggested withdrawal rate for current retirees Host: Robert Brokamp, CFP®, EAGuest: William BengenEngineers: Adam Landfair and Bart Shannon Disclosure: Advertisements are sponsored content and provided for informational purposes only. The Motley Fool and its affiliates (collectively, “TMF”) do not endorse, recommend, or verify the accuracy or completeness of the statements made within advertisements. TMF is not involved in the offer, sale, or solicitation of any securities advertised herein and makes no representations regarding the suitability, or risks associated with any investment opportunity presented. Investors should conduct their own due diligence and consult with legal, tax, and financial advisors before making any investment decisions. TMF assumes no responsibility for any losses or damages arising from this advertisement. We’re committed to transparency: All personal opinions in advertisements from Fools are their own. The product advertised in this episode was loaned to TMF and was returned after a test period or the product advertised in this episode was purchased by TMF. Advertiser has paid for the sponsorship of this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Vi… ## Actions - request_transcript: `POST https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/motley-fool-hidden-gems-investing-1015621/episodes/the-father-of-the-4-rule-says-retirees-can-take-out-much-more/transcription-requests` — Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode. - read_markdown: `GET https://stenobird.com/podcast/motley-fool-hidden-gems-investing-1015621/the-father-of-the-4-rule-says-retirees-can-take-out-much-more.md` — Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource. A page view does not enqueue transcription. Agents should invoke `request_transcript` explicitly when they need this episode processed. ## Transcript Full transcripts are not published on public pages unless there is a clear rights basis.