# The Companies That Sound Most Confident May Be the Ones to Worry About

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Podcast: [Motley Fool Hidden Gems Investing](https://stenobird.com/podcast/motley-fool-hidden-gems-investing-1015621)
Published: 2026-06-21T16:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

Every time you listen to an earnings call, you're scanning for signs that a company knows where it's going. But what if the most confident-sounding language is actually the biggest red flag? Motley Fool analyst Rachel Warren sits down with Phil LeBrun, former international CIO of McDonald's, and Dr. Jana Werner, executive advisor at AWS — co-authors of The Octopus Organization — to unpack why 70 to 90 percent of corporate transformations never deliver what they promised, what they call watermelon reporting — green on the outside, red on the inside — and the words that reveal whether a company is truly built for the future, or just really good at sounding like one. Host: Rachel Warren Guests: Dr. Jana Werner and Phil Le-Brun Producers: Bart Shannon, Lauren Budabin Disclosure: Advertisements are sponsored content and provided for informational purposes only. The Motley Fool and its affiliates (collectively, “TMF”) do not endorse, recommend, or verify the accuracy or completeness of the statements made within advertisements. TMF is not involved in the offer, sale, or solicitation of any securities advertised herein and makes no representations regarding the suitability, or risks associated with any investment opportunity presented. Investors should conduct their own due diligence and consult with legal, tax, and financial advisors before making any investment decisions. TMF assumes no responsibility for any losses or damages arising from this advertisement. We’re committed to transparency: All personal opinions in advertisements from Fools are their own. The product advertised in this episode was loaned to TMF and was returned after a test period or the product advertised in this episode was purchased by TMF. Advertiser has paid for the sponsorship of this episode. Learn…

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