# Nark 16 | Fire and Fallout

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Podcast: [Motive: The Lost](https://stenobird.com/podcast/motive-conviction-7551469)
Published: 2025-11-30T16:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

For years after the trials of Ross Appelgren, Ernie* had lived a quiet and crime-free life in Australia. But his domestic bliss didn’t last and the fallout resulted in a trans-Tasman diplomatic row. In this episode, Ernie* answers some of Mike’s lingering questions. *Names have been changed as they have name suppression or to protect their identity Read more stories and see images from Nark on the RNZ website Special thanks to everyone who helped bring this podcast to life, especially Julie Appelgren and Suzanne Young. And thanks to Ngā Taonga and Mediaworks for some of the archival audio. AI was used to recreate the voice of Ross Appelgren. The only words used were those he wrote or said during his lifetime. If you have any further information on this case, please email nark@rnz.co.nz Go to this episode on rnz.co.nz for more details

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