# 8. BONUS EPISODE: CHILDLESS BY CHOICE w/ Denia Perez

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Podcast: [Mothering New Worlds](https://stenobird.com/podcast/mothering-new-worlds-7823007)
Published: 2026-07-03T10:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

To hear more, visit motheringnewworlds.substack.com In today’s episode, I interview Denia Perez, an immigration attorney by training, longtime activist in the immigrant rights movement, and a writer with the nonprofit Documented (where she recently interviewed Zohran Mamdani!). Beyond all of that, Denia is also a witch, a clown, the town jester of my heart, the madrina to my child, and my best friend. Denia also writes the hilarious and tender substack “ how to survive your flop era ” where she chronicles her own unlearning of capitalism, perfectionism, and tending to your inner child/weirdo. ABOUT MOTHERING NEW WORLDS * New episodes every other Friday on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and Youtube. FOLLOW ON IG SUBSCRIBE ON SUBSTACK for extra monthly episode

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