# 423: The Nazi & the Psychiatrist w/ Jack El-Hai

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Podcast: [Most Notorious! A True Crime History Podcast](https://stenobird.com/podcast/most-notorious-a-true-crime-history-podcast-453575)
Published: 2026-01-28T15:11:00+00:00
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## Resource

On this episode of Most Notorious, I speak with author Jack El-Hai about his book "The Nazi and the Psychiatrist: Hermann Göring, Dr. Douglas M. Kelley, and a Fatal Meeting of Minds at the End of WWII". He talks about the fascinating relationship between Dr. Douglas Kelly, who was assigned to evaluate senior Nazi leaders awaiting trial at Nuremberg, and Herman Göring, charged with war crimes and crimes against humanity. His book was adapted into the film Nuremberg, which came out in November of 2025. The author's website: https://www.el-hai.com/ My 2019 interview with the author about the 1951 disappearance of the Klein brothers: https://www.mostnotorious.com/2023/02/01/the-mysterious-1951-minneapolis-disappearance-of-the-klein-brothers-w-jack-el-hai/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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