# 200GW Hiding in Grid, Sodium Batteries 10x Cheaper, Wave-Powered Datacenters w/ Ramez Naam | EP #280

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Podcast: [Moonshots with Peter Diamandis](https://stenobird.com/podcast/moonshots-with-peter-diamandis-5723730)
Published: 2026-08-15T15:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

The mates sit down with Ramez Naam to discuss the state of energy, the grid’s struggle to keep pace with AI, breakthroughs in sodium batteries and fusion, and whether wave-powered data centers could unlock a new era of energy abundance. Get access to metatrends 10+ years before anyone else - https://qr.diamandis.com/metatrends   Peter H. Diamandis, MD, is the Founder of XPRIZE, Singularity University, ZeroG, and A360 Salim Ismail is the founder of Open ExO, a GP at Exponential Venture Capital/The Organizational Singularity Fund and a sought after global speaker and thought leader. Dave Blundin is the founder & GP of Link Ventures Dr. Alexander Wissner-Gross is a computer scientist and founder of Reified Ramez Naam is a computer scientist, clean energy futurist, award-winning author, and founder and managing partner of Planetary VC. A former Microsoft executive, he now invests in climate and energy startups and is a leading voice on disruptive technologies shaping the future of energy. – My companies: Apply to Dave's and my new fund:https://qr.diamandis.com/linkventureslanding   Get the blueprint for generative media https://goo.gle/startupgenmedia  Go to Blitzy to book a free demo and start building today: https://qr.diamandis.com/blitzy   Your body is incredibly good at hiding disease. Schedule a call with Fountain Life to add healthy decades to your life, and to learn more about their Memberships: https://www.fountainlife.com/peter  _ Connect with Peter: X Instagram Substack Website Xprize A360 Connect with Dave: Web X LinkedIn Instagram TikTok Connect with Salim: LinkedIn X Join Salim’s 10X Shift Subscribe to Salim’s YouTube channel Exponential Venture Capital Connect with Alex Website LinkedIn X Email Substack  Spotify T…

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