# 223. Staying With Your Magic When It's Unclear with Caroline Durlacher and Mellie Test

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Published: 2026-02-16T11:00:00+00:00
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In this episode, Britten LaRue is joined by Caroline Durlacher and Mellie Test for a conversation on staying with your magic when it's unclear, inspired by the Eight of Swords. Together they reflect on what it's like to be in a long creative process - where clarity doesn't always arrive on the timeline the mind wants - and how The Magician's Table can function as a container that supports devotion, experimentation, and self-recognition. They explore the tension between money as feedback and the ways it can distort our relationship to magic, while naming the relief and power of letting your practice be emergent: trusting transmission, honoring cave time, and creating without needing permission, justification, or proof. Topics They Cover: Returning to The Magician's Table twice: resistance, refinement, and the intelligence of coming back Money as feedback vs. money as proof and how tying magic to material success can cloud clarity Devotion to process: luxuriating in the process, experimentation, and letting your work evolve moment to moment Cave time, invisibility, and staying with your magic during unclear or non-linear seasons Self-recognition as the true initiation and claiming you are magical without needing external validation About Caroline Durlacher: Caroline Durlacher is a former literature & philosophy PhD candidate turned Emergent Business mentor for divergent thinkers & creative visionaries. She helps what she calls "Artists under Capitalism" & "Emergent Practitioners" turn their deep devotions & uncontainable work into online business ecosystems that generate wealth, visibility, and cultural power. When you're ready to make money by building worlds with your art, her work is for you. INSTAGRAM: @carolinedurlacher SUBSTACK: Ways of Knowing About Mellie Test: M…

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