# Why Kubernetes Still Feels So Hard & What to Do About It with Steve Francis, CEO of Sidero Labs

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Podcast: [Modern CTO](https://stenobird.com/podcast/modern-cto-509977)
Published: 2026-06-22T11:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

What if you didn’t have to solve problems? You can just remove them entirely. Today, we're talking to Steve Francis, CEO at Sidero Labs, about why the most dangerous thing running in your infrastructure might be the operating system itself. We discuss how eliminating features rather than adding them is the real path to security, why the promise of multi-cloud portability turned out to be a lesson in what customers actually care about, and why "extreme ownership" remains the most empowering philosophy a leader can adopt. All of this right here, right now, on the Modern CTO Podcast! To learn more about Sidero Labs, check out their website here.

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