# Why Does AI Momentum Stall in Large Organizations? with Kyle Lagunas & Allyn Bailey

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Podcast: [Modern CTO](https://stenobird.com/podcast/modern-cto-509977)
Published: 2026-06-18T11:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

Understanding these key points is what actually moves the needle on AI gains. Today, we're talking to Kyle Lagunas, analyst and founder at Kyle & Co, and Allyn Bailey, senior director of communications at SmartRecruiters, about why AI momentum in HR is stalling and what's actually moving the needle. We discuss why the organizations leading on AI aren't doing anything flashy, how the most boring red-tape work turns out to be the biggest unlock, why HR's instinct for risk avoidance is exactly the wrong posture for this moment, and what a surprising finding about EU companies under heavy regulation reveals about the relationship between guardrails and speed. All of this right here, right now, on the Modern CTO Podcast! To learn more about SmartRecruiters, check out their website here. To read Kyle and Co's full AI Momentum Model, check it out here.

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