# Tech Titans: Why Accidental Managers are the Best Leaders with Rajeev Rajan, CTO at Atlassian

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Podcast: [Modern CTO](https://stenobird.com/podcast/modern-cto-509977)
Published: 2026-03-05T12:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

The best managers are the ones who never wanted the job. Today, we're talking to Rajeev Rajan, CTO at Atlassian. We discuss why developer joy outperforms productivity as an engineering goal, how the best managers are the ones who never wanted the job, and why every leadership playbook you've built stops working the moment your team grows. All of this right here, right now, on the Modern CTO Podcast! To learn more about Atlassian, check out their website here.

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