# Tech Titans: Learn How to Remix as a Leader with Michael Grinich, founder at WorkOS

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Podcast: [Modern CTO](https://stenobird.com/podcast/modern-cto-509977)
Published: 2026-05-18T11:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

Every product and piece of art you love is a ripoff…and that’s a good thing. Today, we're talking to Michael Grinich, founder of WorkOS. We discuss why copying great work is a sign of maturity rather than weakness, how the best builders draw inspiration from wildly different industries, and why the most enduring motivation in tech is really just a form of suffering. All of this right here, right now, on the Modern CTO Podcast! To learn more about WorkOS, check out their website here.

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