# 406 Hard Lessons From Big Risks with Mark O'Brien

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Published: 2026-06-22T00:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

Some projects stop making sense on paper long before the story is over. Mark O'Brien talks through bankruptcy, real estate risk, New York red tape, private equity, treehouses, 45 White Oak, and why the experience can still be worth chasing. Mark's website: https://buildmeabrownstone.com Sign up for the Modern Craftsman Community: 👉🏻 MC Community Sign-up Sign up for the newsletter: Newsletter Sign-up Show Notes: 00:00 The Treehouse That Sold the House 00:15 Meet Mark O'Brien 03:52 Losing It All and Starting Over 22:54 New York Red Tape and Carrying Costs 33:15 Why Keep Taking the Risk? 47:02 Private Equity Changes the Game 54:50 Sometimes It Doesn't Have to Pencil 61:34 Bootstrapping and Hard Lessons 68:29 What Do You Worry About? 79:23 45 White Oak and the Dream Build Video Version: https://youtu.be/G9Rw3-TsqiY Partners: Andersen Windows Harnish Workwear Use code H1025 and get 10% off their H-label gear The Modern Craftsman : linktr.ee/moderncraftsmanpodcast Find Our Hosts : Nick Schiffer Tyler Grace Podcast Produced By: Motif Media

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