# The Dawkins Effect: Why Even Skeptics Fall for AI Consciousness

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Podcast: [Modem Futura](https://stenobird.com/podcast/modem-futura-7035675)
Published: 2026-05-12T08:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

Richard Dawkins says Claude (or should we say Claudia) might be conscious — and if the architect of modern skepticism can be fooled by an AI chatbot, Sean, Andrew, and guest Punya Mishra explore what that means for the rest of us. A conversation about cognitive Trojan horses, honest non-signals, and why our deepest human wiring may be our greatest vulnerability in the age of AI.

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