# EP 179: The Hidden Crisis of Not Mattering - A Conversation With Jennifer Wallace

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Podcast: [Mo News - The Interview](https://stenobird.com/podcast/mo-news-the-interview-6841423)
Published: 2026-02-12T20:06:00+00:00
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Duration seconds: 2586

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Why do so many people feel lonely, burned out, and disconnected—even in a hyper-connected world? Author and journalist Jennifer Wallace joins Mosheh to unpack what she sees as a root cause behind today’s mental health, workplace, and social crises: a growing lack of mattering. In her new book, '⁠Mattering: The Secret to a Life of Deep Connection and Purpose⁠,' Wallace argues that feeling valued for who we are, and knowing we add value to others, is a fundamental human need. She explains how technology, distraction, and achievement-driven culture have hollowed out relationships, contributing to loneliness, burnout, disengagement at work, and rising social anger. The conversation discusses tips for reversing that trend, and also explores parenting and leadership, including why kids and adults thrive when they feel they matter at home and at work, and how small, everyday moments of attention and appreciation can rebuild connection. Mosheh Oinounou (⁠⁠⁠⁠@mosheh⁠⁠⁠⁠) is an Emmy and Murrow award-winning journalist. He has 20 years of experience at networks including Fox News, Bloomberg Television and CBS News, where he was the executive producer of the CBS Evening News and launched the network's 24 hour news channel. He founded the @mosheh Instagram news account in 2020 and the Mo News podcast and newsletter in 2022.

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