# 2932: Phil Heath Used Less PEDs Than Everyone Thought ; Here Is the Real Story

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Podcast: [Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth](https://stenobird.com/podcast/mind-pump-raw-fitness-truth-320363)
Published: 2026-08-27T00:00:00+00:00
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Duration seconds: 7022

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