# 215. Phil Lord and Chris Miller: These 2 Dorks Made Every Movie You Love

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Podcast: [Mike Birbiglia's Working It Out](https://stenobird.com/podcast/mike-birbiglia-s-working-it-out-495078)
Published: 2026-06-08T04:10:00+00:00
Episode link: https://www.birbigs.com/
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Filmmakers Phil Lord and Chris Miller’s resume is a laundry list of hits: Project Hail Mary, The Lego Movie, 21 Jump Street, Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse, and more. Their success with projects that didn’t initially seem like good ideas has even spawned a verb in Hollywood, “to Lord and Miller” something. Now they sit down with Mike to discuss the positive and negative ramifications of that. They also discuss the test screening process of Project Hail Mary, and working with Nicolas Cage on their new series Spider-Noir. Plus, they reveal the five films that would be on the syllabus of Lord and Miller University.

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