# The Ladder of Modern Prophets (Mormonism) | Let's Be Honest | Menlo Midweek Podcast

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Published: 2026-07-22T12:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

In this week's episode, host Peter Sherman sits down with Spiritual Formation Pastor Matt Summers to unpack Sunday’s message, The Ladder of Modern Prophets. In the LDS system, salvation is often framed as a partnership where we provide maximum effort and God provides the supplement. But striving to follow laws, ordinances, and temple works to achieve exaltation creates an exhausting, moving finish line. It leaves us trapped in the anxiety of never knowing if we have done enough to qualify for God's presence. Together, Peter and Matt explore the contrast offered by the gospel. Grace is not a top-off to patch up our performance, and the work of Jesus is not a supplement to our effort; it is a total substitute for it. Instead of climbing a spiritual ladder to prove our value, we discover the life-changing freedom of stepping off the performance loop and living from the worth Jesus has already given us. Listen to the Menlo Midweek Podcast Tune into new episodes released every Wednesday as we break down Sunday’s sermon, share behind-the-scenes insights, and discuss practical ways to live out our faith. Listen now at menlo.church/podcasts. 🎙️ In This Episode The "Do" Framework: Exploring the weight of "grace after all we can do" and why striving for exaltation creates an exhausting finish line. The "Done" of Jesus: How Christ's work serves as a complete substitute for our effort rather than just a supplement. Working From Worth: Shifting from working for God's love and approval to living out of the worth He has already granted us. Practical Grace: How to step off personal performance ladders in everyday life and love our neighbors with genuine curiosity and respect. 💬 Discussion Questions Where in your life are you tempted to view grace as a "top-off" for your own efforts ra…

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