# #12: Session 11 > Depression, Attachment and Mentalizing

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Podcast: [MBT EN – Understanding Mentalization-Based Treatment](https://stenobird.com/podcast/mbt-en-understanding-mentalization-based-treatment-7791311)
Published: 2026-03-29T12:06:35+00:00
Episode link: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/japper337/episodes/12-Session-11--Depression--Attachment-and-Mentalizing-e3h4cuc
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🎙️ Episode 11 – Session 11: Depression, Attachment and Mentalizing Welcome to episode 11 of the MBT podcast. Today, we explore a topic that is deeply human and often difficult to talk about: depression. Not just as a diagnosis, but as an emotional experience connected to loss, attachment, and how we understand ourselves and others. ⸻ 📌 What this session is about In this session, we look at how depression is closely linked to loss and separation. This can be very clear and visible, like: • losing a loved one • the end of a relationship • losing a job or a place where you felt you belonged But loss can also be more subtle: • losing a sense of identity • feeling disconnected from others • or feeling like you’ve lost yourself These experiences can lead to deep feelings of sadness, loneliness, and emptiness. According to the publications on MBT, depression can develop when a natural grief response does not fade, but instead becomes persistent and overwhelming. ⸻ 🔎 How depression develops Everyone reacts differently to loss. Some people process it and slowly recover. But for others, especially when there have been earlier painful experiences or unstable attachments, the impact can be much stronger. Depression can then become a kind of automatic response. You may start to notice patterns like: • feeling stuck in sadness • losing motivation or energy • withdrawing from others • feeling hopeless about the future And over time, this can become your “normal.” ⸻ 🧠 Depressive thinking patterns One of the most important parts of this session is understanding how we think when we are depressed. These thoughts often feel like facts, but they are not. Examples include: • “It will never get better.” • “Everything is my fault.” • “I’m not good enough.” These are called automatic negative…

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