# If Nothing Is Growing, Start Here | Luke Lezon on Mature Me Ep. 105

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Podcast: [Mature Me w/ Rich Wilkerson Jr.](https://stenobird.com/podcast/mature-me-w-rich-wilkerson-jr-6771429)
Published: 2026-08-04T23:30:00+00:00
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## Resource

When something isn’t growing, don’t be so quick to blame the seed. On this episode of Mature Me, I sit down with my new friend @lukelezon . I found a clip of him preaching the gospel using The Lion King and knew I had to get him on Mature Me 🔥 Luke is a husband, father, and pastor of @quaychurch. We dive into all things leadership, culture, communication, trust, and forgiveness. Whether you’re building a church, a team, a family, or your own life, healthy things don’t grow by accident. They grow in healthy soil. The same is true in our leadership, relationships, and walk with God. When we cultivate the right environment, we often see God do what once seemed impossible. This conversation is full of practical wisdom for anyone who wants to stop chasing quick growth and start cultivating lasting fruit. Tune in tonight at 7:30 PM on the Rich Wilkerson Jr. YouTube Channel. 🔗

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