# Ep. 80 — Grace Is a License to Drive, Not to Crash | Mature Me w/ Adam Mesa & Rich Wilkerson Jr.

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Podcast: [Mature Me w/ Rich Wilkerson Jr.](https://stenobird.com/podcast/mature-me-w-rich-wilkerson-jr-6771429)
Published: 2025-12-10T00:30:00+00:00
Episode link: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/richwilkersonjr/episodes/Ep--80--Grace-Is-a-License-to-Drive--Not-to-Crash--Mature-Me-w-Adam-Mesa--Rich-Wilkerson-Jr-e3c4bvb
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## Resource

My friend @amesa is on the pod this week 🎧 Husband, father, and pastor of Patria Church, Adam carries a story shaped by transition and trust. We talk about the moments that stretch you, the wrestle with God, and how clarity begins to rise when you keep bringing your questions back to Him. We dig into his upbringing, the early days of Patria, how he and his wife met, and the grace that’s guided their journey. Not a grace that lets you crash, but one that gives you permission to drive with purpose. If you’re walking through a shift right now, this conversation will meet you there. 7:30pm 🔗

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