# Ep. 79 — "Preaching is easy. Living is hard.” | Mature Me Ep. 79 w/ Peter Toggs & Rich Wilkerson Jr.

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Podcast: [Mature Me w/ Rich Wilkerson Jr.](https://stenobird.com/podcast/mature-me-w-rich-wilkerson-jr-6771429)
Published: 2025-12-03T00:30:00+00:00
Episode link: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/richwilkersonjr/episodes/Ep--79--Preaching-is-easy--Living-is-hard---Mature-Me-Ep--79-w-Peter-Toggs--Rich-Wilkerson-Jr-e3bpjei
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## Resource

My friend from across the pond @petertoggs is back on the pod for round 2️⃣ Husband to Laura, pastor of Parable Church, and a man who has been faithfully building for decades. From leading Young & Free in his early ministry years to planting Parable Church, Peter shares how every position of leadership brings a new threshold of pain, and why staying planted, embracing the process, and trusting God in the gap really matters. We talk about leadership, preaching, making church memorable, and how scarcity can spark innovation. Your lack can become opportunity. If you want to accomplish what is in your heart, be diligent with what is in your hand. Preaching is easy. Living is hard. But God is faithful. Stay the course. Highlight of the pod: We play pick it up and preach 🧻 Tune in tonight. 7:30pm 🔗

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